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if, you know, back in the days it was big of the car.
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Speaker like 16 by nine and all that.
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And our stuff hit the hardest because K imagine Doctor Dre
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producing all your stuff. Imagine a regular local producer producing it is going to sound.
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Unknown
And so if
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you ride and, and it's all about the bass if I, if the whatever they barely know what you're saying. The music are going to bass
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is good, they're going to buy your stuff.
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Unknown
All right, guys, thanks for joining us on the podcast today.
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Unknown
Well, we enjoy exhilarating euphoria through creation and collaboration. We're here with the shocker. Yes, sir. What's up man. Good to see you bud. A long time coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've known each other for a long time. Yeah, we got it right. We know that a lot of time. I've seen you go through a lot of things and I know you see me go through my ups and downs, so it's just.
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Unknown
It's good to have you here. But, let's talk a little bit about where you're from and and what school you rap, and let's go for that because, you know, it's always come down to New Orleans with school you went to. Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And they always mean high school. Nobody means college. It's all about the high schools.
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Unknown
I would say I started and was born and raised, went to Richmond, California. You went to went there for like a year, then came back to, New Orleans. Kind of pursued it, pursued the music. Just crazy after that point. So school I grew up is, a, in 73. Yeah. Those is my two stomping ground.
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Unknown
You know, people don't know me. You know, they don't know I've been down well. And and before you were in the music, you play basketball and you play basketball is pretty good. Yeah, that's what I heard. That's what I heard. You know, you know, you were silk in many ways, you know, silky smooth in many ways. But what happened in basketball?
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Unknown
Well, what was good about is that I pursued it, was pretty good at it. But then you get hurt at some point early on. I know I didn't get hurt. I kind of just took a break from it. But I was really good. So where I got to, I kind of got an NBA offer, but when they offered it to me, it was.
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Unknown
It was really low. Okay, I think I was making it in one day and the players aren't making they weren't making the same money. That and, it was back, you know. But all right. So, so you decided to go to California and and start music? Yeah, we did what? We did it here. But, you know, it was just a certain type of music here.
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Unknown
And then I think we wanted to make, like, real music, like, you know, because I'm the boss was in pop and was in all that. So we want to make like this kind of two part type of music, like where it's like real music, like talking about the neighborhoods. And they wasn't really adept at that point yet. Okay.
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Unknown
We took you to California. We went to California based on just because we had to go. We had to change of scenery, just a whole bunch of stuff in between that. But, going to California was, was a, culture shock, so I bet. So the funny thing is, so coming in New Orleans, you know, we represent all the projects, you know, all those projects and stuff.
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Unknown
And it was bad. But, you know, when you enter your own, you don't think is that bad, right? So one day I was like, reading, I was, I was, I was looking at magazines all the time. So I'm like, oh, man, California got palm trees. The big ocean all makes me beautiful. So I'm looking at California like, yeah, we can't wait to get to California, get to California, get to Richmond.
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Unknown
It's just like, yeah, it's just more poverty. It's not worse. Is that worries? Right? You worry. So, you know, it's funny and and people always, you know, I guess they see racism in different moments. But so for me, I never because I grew up here like, like, like we were all part of the culture, like. Yeah, I had you on my walls, on my, you know, grade school, you know what I mean?
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Unknown
Like, like, this was a part of us, like, we didn't see different sides. I mean, there was different sides, but we didn't see it in a in a color sense. I think if we saw it more in a culture sense, but not but least we had a color sense. But when I, when I got to LA, I saw the first real racism.
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Unknown
In my life like actual like happening in front of me, you know, and, and and, and the way things were looked at where everybody was really pigeonholed in boxes, you know. So, so it must have been a culture shock for you guys because. Because it's different. Right? I mean, there's a lot more people out there too. I didn't really see the racial part.
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Unknown
I did see the part. What is that the color? Yeah, the color part was different. He did treat you differently. I think I, he I was used to it when I was out there. It was a different kind of. Well, when I say the racism that I express, it was from a cop, so like so like, I don't know if that, if that, like a specific thing, but, but but I remember I get, I got pulled over with a really good friend of mine, killer B, who was, who now is, multi-grammy nominated producer.
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Unknown
And he, we were, in his little Mercedes like, compressor thing with one headlight because one had lights out, and, none of us had any money at the time. We're also trying to make it. I'm driving with him. He's got one headlight out, but because the headlights out his drive with the high beams on. So we get pulled up.
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Unknown
So we pull up behind some cop, and of course, the cop pulls us over because he's got the high beams on, and next thing you know, he's out. He's out the door having to talk to the cop. They pulling me out the the cop. And I'm like, what's the big fucking deal? Like the head like like like what's going on.
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Unknown
And then after like about 45 minutes of conversation, I realize that this is just a racial fucking like like we're moving on to a racial deal, you know? So like, I, I, I had never truly experienced that being here. You know, it was just crazy. It was a whole different animal. Now it it's it changes, big cities are a whole different animal, you know, because New York's the same way.
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Unknown
Cali same way. Like, like, you know, big cities like this is a lot more, separation. I think then then we all kind of experience things together, right? Yeah, I would say me, I, I some of it do be racial, but I'm so used to it, I try to, I try to bring it down a notch.
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Unknown
I don't well, we gotta think about this, too. In this world, you know, you gotta be able to distinguish the, the races that you see. Hey, I know people see it and get mad, so I don't get mad. I just be, like, trying to bring it down and not so good a cop. Pull me over.
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Unknown
I'm trying to give him every reason to be cool with me instead of bad with me. But I can't say work all the time. But I know for me, I just try to. That's just part of being from the South, man. Like we are relaxed more than anything, I think. And and I think also understanding your place in life, late night like because I get nervous, I get pulled over by cop.
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Unknown
I can't, you know, like, it's not like it's not like it changes anything, you know? But but, you know, tell me a little bit about those first moments of releasing those tracks, because, you know, I know a little bit about the story about you know, P and the that producer, the, the guy that had the studio that, that, that just kind of allowed him to.
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Unknown
What was his name of Caillou. Right? Yeah. Allowed him to kind of come in and and because he was, he was persistent. Right. And then and then he was able to get his stuff selling and those some of those stores tell me, tell me what that was like seeing your brother accomplish all that before you guys, kind of because you guys kind of came on like either during or in that moment or like right after, like he was really kind of moving those.
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Unknown
Right? Yeah. We we started off as like, just trying to stay out of trouble, do something different. And, and it really is technique. It's really just technique and all that. Because what we did was, everybody was doing music. We had to try to find something that was just to be different. So I think our first time was just trying to do something.
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Unknown
It's a kind of mental time. Right? And then we noticed the atmosphere of like, say, rich man. We knew already about New Orleans, but Richmond, what a Bay area. And in general, it was a void there because everybody was the same. So even though we was different, but sometimes different is better. So we got there like, oh you can't because we sound we.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. From the world. It was a California resort country but it was like yeah I think he had gold teeth or something. Whatever. And but you know, they were dissing us in the beginning of that. But then when we established our sound, they wanted that because they wanted the it's a kind of clash together. So it actually worked out because I think what we did better than anybody else, our work ethic was crazy.
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Unknown
So even though we wasn't good, I wouldn't even say was good at rapping. We would just outwork everybody. So we'd be like, for for chicken, we'll just a piece of chicken, we'll come, we can perform. So everybody sleep. We what we write, right. You in front of everybody's face. Yeah. And so even Caillou was, Caillou was like Doctor Dre to us.
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Unknown
They had some producers, but Caillou was like the guy who had all the mixing equipment he had all stuff came out before everybody else came out and he knew how to use it. So how separated us was the ability to not all rap everybody. But if, you know, back in the days it was big of the car.
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Unknown
Speaker like 16 by nine and all that. And our stuff hit the hardest because K imagine Doctor Dre producing all your stuff. Imagine a regular local producer producing it is going to sound. So if you ride and, and it's all about the bass if I, if the whatever they barely know what you're saying. The music are going to bass is good.
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Unknown
They're going to buy your stuff. So that's what made us that, that that's crazy. You say that because it definitely was a, you know and I was a little later in that. But but at the same time, my, my first sound system was some of the most influential music that I've listened to in my life.
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Unknown
And you definitely were on that table for me. So, so I get that, and I and I can say it was early days of music, car audio and and and and and, I guess that type of listening when you guys were, were coming up. Right? I mean, because car audio people weren't thinking about putting subs in cars too long before then, you know?
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Unknown
So it's probably kind of early on with that stuff. Well, so was that part of you guys is process, like when you guys were approaching music like like, let me give them an anthem instead of a lyrical like, like poem, something like that. It was more like, what do they don't have? So let's say if Dave always eats chicken at some point time he got to switch up.
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Unknown
So you might say, I want I want shrimp this time. So everybody's keep give you chicken. The shrimp is going to taste a lot better a lot better if if you if I bring it to you. So so so you're going to buy that because you already bought chicken chicken chicken chicken. Now I bought you something else. Fish or whatever.
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Unknown
So our goal was supply the demand when of the man was there. So if you think about it, we wasn't trying to outdo them. We were just trying to thank them right out, thank them. And that's how I kind of live like. Well, I will say this, there isn't anything I could buy that was close to the timing of the shark averse.
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Unknown
Like, I mean, the you you fit in the most awkward moments of the beat that that most people would be completely silent on. Let me explain that to you. So, so before me and I and I, I'm not saying this, but people who I know are really good at music would say stuff like, oh, you before your time, whatever.
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Unknown
Right? Like I had some, some pioneers that told me that. So basically everybody thought I was rapping I'll be right. But I never was rapping on beat if you go back. So I was rapping on key, but I didn't before. I did it by design. So why did I by design? Because I wanted you. Because we have good marketing.
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Unknown
I wanted you to say I was bad at rapping. I wasn't bad rap. If you play it, play back. I was actually really good at rapping. I just wanted you to think that because this is a different time apart. But but I'll be honest with you because. No, I've known you for so long. You talk like that. Haha.
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Unknown
Like, yeah, you, you talk off beat like you, you you know, like you you you you say a couple of things slower and you go fast and then you finish like you, you talk in that dynamic. So honestly, when I like listening to music and growing up in music and then meeting you and talking to you, I understand what's going on because you kind of talk like that, but also not even talk, I think.
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Unknown
So it's natural like that, right? Right. Like that. It pays to, to be creative. So even when I, I'm a, I'm a writer, I think I write some of the, I think I'm one of the best writers in the world, but I don't write that much. But when I do write, I'm I'm definitely way up there. So I just started writing this year, like scripts, movies, all that.
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Unknown
And people are like, yo, this is insane, but I but I if you think about it before, but I have a timer. I think you're a good writer because you're a good listener, but because because you definitely listen a lot more than you speak, which is why you don't do a whole lot of these interviews, you know? You know, so, so, but, so but but keep going.
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Unknown
Yeah. No, but, so I'm testing it this theory this year, like, because I actually write. And so when I write, I just feel like nothing. Nobody. I'll do it. But now you gotta also write. But you also got to do you have to do as well. So for me, you know, before, before me. Amen. All sorts of name.
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Unknown
Amen. For me, man, I never picked up a pen, but none of my music, you know what I'm saying? So I might jot down a word or two, but I actually would never write, so. So all everything was in my head to where I made the story fit. So all the music I made, what I'm learning now that I'm not saying is better, but I'm saying that is something unique about writing for perfection or greater.
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Unknown
Right? So I'm not saying my music going to outsell my own music, because that was a time period where we was we had built something. Now I just do it for because I want to, it adds on to the to the legacy. And I think I'm super good at it. Whoever think I'm not, that's just on you guys, but I'm, I'm actually making it for myself.
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Unknown
And if you around, you enjoy the ride. But it was something he's done since we were kids. So, you know, it makes sense. You know, well, let's talk a little bit about what you guys used to do, because, you know, you do. You guys didn't only do music, you did movies. Right? Tell me about what was the first movie you guys filmed and, like, independently?
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Unknown
Would you would you. You know, I want to say hi, boys. No, I happened to have boys. We did about it first about it. Right? That was first. Right. And then and then and then he did the, make him stay on video, which was basically a movie, which is Crystal the craziest movie mistake because, I mean, like, I literally and I was just telling him this, I literally remember the moment I was sitting on the sofa watching the video for the first time.
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Unknown
Where was that? Like? I like the time of day. Like it's crazy watching that video. But, what I kind of, I think I've always given you shit for was the Hot Boys intro scene. Oh, you know, I think that is the longest car chase I have ever seen in my life. Tell me a little bit about the hot Boys.
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Unknown
So what was going on? That's our. That's our kind of second establish a movie. So, when we got the director, they were known for Action Man. They wanted to draw it out like that. And so I mean, it's the longest day of scene I've ever seen in my life. You are. You are definitely running high.
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Unknown
You you be running. But, what was your best moment in that film? Like, what was. What do you feel like was fun in that film? You did. I had fun, man. You know. What is one? The one that was really good was Gary Busey. Because he gave me a lot of pointers. And then me doing karate was good, like, cause I'm a black belt, but I'm a black belt.
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Unknown
But that's why you walk around by yourself. Yeah, yeah. So Gary Busey, he was he at that time, he was one of the top actors. And we was able to get him along with a couple other people. Now, Snoop was in it. I think everybody I mean, seeing everybody now, it's nothing for him. But see, was everybody was in it and, it was good because it was one of those projects that took everybody to be a part of, and I think to this day is still a classic.
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Unknown
Right. So it was good. And then, I mean, Gary Busey gave me so many point is on being a, a real actor. And he took his time to, like, really make sure I was good at it. So that was. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, tell me about a I got the hook up.
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Unknown
Wait, what was that? Was, that was a big that was a I feel like that was a very cultural, movie. Like it was very it was very influential and, and and a lot of people's cultures, but mine and and and a lot of people's, you know, from, from that same age group. What, what, how did you when when you read that script and you read that moment, how did you feel about it?
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Unknown
Did you know right away that it was going to be a little bit bigger than the rest or because I feel like that was the one that connected with people? I mean, I think between that and how always was really connecting, that one was good because it was comedy to write. Well, that was the thing. I think, you know, the comedy came out of it.
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Unknown
I think at Light Heart lightened the heart of a lot of that moment. Those moments. Yeah, it was it was, oh, I silk the shocker. Not silk with the phone, I guess. But, but no, I think, it wasn't comedy. It was like, and I think it it was something that we never did before.
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Unknown
And I think people related to it, they could see like, oh, the phones, you know, selling phones and stuff like that. So I think it was, it was that was right on cue. I mean, we might as well use that. And I got the hook up. We got the phone calls, you know, he's calling for the hook up.
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Unknown
No. That's funny man, that was bad as far as if we should have answered that. That's funny. That's funny. Well, let's talk a little bit about the cash Money no limit stuff, because, you know, one thing, especially since this past weekend, which we can say, I feel like didn't city a little bit of healing, even though I don't know if it was necessary because of how long, you know, the gap span.
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Unknown
But at the same time, just being able to see that moment was, was very, very special. But I, I give a lot of credit to your brother and Brian, baby aka baby the that that. They never, you know, they never, like, clashed where it was angry, you know, and, you know, there may have been some moments where it was tension and y'all were, you know, going back and forth with some of the songs and, and, you know, Thug Life or what was it, Thug girl and I don't, you know, but a hot girl like, you know, like there was there may have been some back and forth, but but there was never a
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Unknown
moment where we as fans, I felt y'all hated each other now. I mean, I think it was mutual respect. I don't think we ever gotten to the point where it was really unique problems. I think that it was to like mega these two mountains. Yeah, yeah. And so I, I salute them guys. I mean, I know all of them.
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Unknown
And so, I think, I think the people outside really couldn't understand how if two people, if two like, mountains could really coexist, but they could. And so they did a lot for the city. We did a lot for, I think he did a la for everything in the culture like to show to show that you don't have to, but you can compete and don't have to be violent and you don't have to be, hateful.
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Unknown
And you can you can compete in the same city. Both make money, both grow up, both have different sections, but I'm a fan of both Cash Money and No Limit. I didn't pick sides, and I think most people didn't, you know, and I think, I think I think that was what was great, though, about the city is we listened to both sides.
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Unknown
We respected both sides for what they both were. I think at the most of it, we we kept it that way for competitiveness. So I because I seen way one day and me way but I'm looking at him is really no problem. None of us say anything to each other, but we kept it that way, like neutrally. But we didn't say like we didn't want to squash the drama because we was like, no, the drama, the drama was part of the competition.
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Unknown
But, but not them. Guys would be like, I, I just seen Tariq. I talked to him, whatever. So. No, no, no, no, you just did the little interview for frat boys reunion, you know, situation. So. No, it was great seeing your brother on stage, given that that award to, to Wayne and and, you know, that was that was crazy.
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Unknown
I can't even use that to. I came in low key, and I was actually there, too. Just watching outside, looking in like, I'm proud of them. Proud of the whole high boys coming together. The mix and all that stuff together on stage was just good for me to see because we've done it. So I just want to look at it from and to be honest, I'm a fan of the movement and what they've done for the culture and stuff like that.
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Unknown
So and what they've done just for the music business in general. So I just looked at it was actually really good to see all those guys movie come together. That was dope. So yeah, I salute that. So it's never really been a problem for me. But not when none of them was in then that would be because we I think we all, man.
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Unknown
We all we we ain't about, you know, trying not really do man to like each other. We always competitively feel like I gotta say, none of you know what it is. Yeah. Now that we grown, we and we all got it, you know, that's awesome I know, and it's good for everybody to see that. Well, let's talk a little bit.
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Unknown
I mean we're, we kind of down that road. Let's talk a little bit about your brother Kevin. Yeah. I don't know of, you know, a whole lot of people know the whole story. But why don't you tell a little bit about the story and, and what kind of happened, with Kevin, man, you know, that's that's our brother.
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Unknown
But, you know, the thing about it was Kevin was a little bit different. He was like, a little bit before his time, too. He was just like, in those times. I didn't understand it back then, but I understand it now. Where Kevin was, like, organized, like free. Get his money, just do what he do. Whatever. Just like, play basketball.
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Unknown
Like, and was really like, you know, brother, that was just we would try to do whatever for all of this is past him or whatever. So, just a solid dude. But I think age wise, he was his other. It was like, right on to be okay. But I mean, with him, man, he was solid. He, you know, just, just just mature, but mature beyond belief.
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Unknown
And then I think what happened with him was, you know, we can't see certain stuff when we coming up. So it's like somebody is trying to capture you if you don't know they're trying to capture you, you capture. Right. So I think cam had a good heart. And I think with him it was the same stuff that happens in every generation where you got to deal.
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Unknown
And I tell my like people all the time like I'm a dad too, so. Right. So nothing changes you as a dad. You can go back and say, because your mom and dad, I met your mom. Yeah, yeah. And so but what you would say is, mom, your your dad. Well, you ain't going. My life is so much different.
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Unknown
Yours. But it's not. But same exact thing. Although technology might change. I mean, when we was growing up, we didn't have cell phones. We had to come to the girl house and ask for to take her out. But it's the same thing. It was relationships, right? Pregnancies, peer pressure, bullying, whatever it was, it never changes through the times.
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Unknown
But so so now. Because guess what? So my brother got killed. He's one of his best friends. Set him up, drove him. I'm sure in his mind he didn't think he was going to get killed. So they picked him up. Boom. His best friend picks him up. So his best friend. His best friend. So we know that betrayal always happens.
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Unknown
But I'm sure he ain't think that betrayal would happen where he would make it home. So they drive in and then and they drive and they shot him back. He had a couple times and dumped his body. Reason why I don't have a clue. He could have been jealous, commit money, but it wasn't big enough to kill somebody.
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Unknown
But but that's gonna happen from generation to generation, so. Right. So it won't. That won't ever change. So there was no real reason. That was like kind of like motivation. That was. Well, I would say this is what happened. So so I'm sure the guy who was beefing with him had a problem with him. Could have been you.
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Unknown
You look better. You got more girls that he could have been. You got more money. But was Kevin in the streets at all? No. Not really. No. He probably like not. He really wasn't like that. I would say typical. Probably hustlin a little bit. Not nothing like not not nothing willing to do for that. No, no. It's probably because camp is a hustle.
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Unknown
Like he'll get little money, but he was he had a girlfriend, he had relationship stuff. So he was just like that. But even if you doing that is jealousy is a lot of stuff that if you don't know about it, it happens. So. Right people now all the time. Right. So you know, if you don't like because I didn't know about death, even though I saw it until my grandfather died.
00:27:06:13 - 00:27:22:13
Unknown
I'm like pulling my grandpa when I'm coming back. That's crazy. Even though I saw them, I won't get up and walk, but but when I really realized that death was real, it was. It wasn't my brother that killed because they came to my school like, okay, I've got killed and I was like, what? What do you mean by I killed?
00:27:22:13 - 00:27:37:09
Unknown
Like, I'm like, what do you mean? And it was like, he's dead. So I'm like, well, so that means you going to hospital and check on like there's like knock. There's like. So I didn't know I seen them in the funeral when I'm like, hold up. So this this happened. Where were they never coming back. Oh that's great.
00:27:37:09 - 00:27:53:08
Unknown
So it's not like I went kind of all better than I was like. But I didn't know. I knew when I was in the project people was getting killed. But it wasn't my right. I didn't really mean it. It was. Yeah. No, you finally I mean it attached to yourself at that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. And so,
00:27:53:10 - 00:28:11:18
Unknown
Wow. And then, and that was, that was it. And then once I realized that. Because that's what I'm saying, because I was walking through the project like I'm invincible with all the haters and all that. Right? Because I'm thinking, like, what's going to happen? Nothing. I'm happy for the other side. All that. And I'm thinking like, yeah, they getting hurt and what didn't hit.
00:28:11:19 - 00:28:29:20
Unknown
And once I hit, I was like, oh, that's a real pain. So I'm sort of calming. Probably didn't know it was a real thing or did. But to for somebody picks or the guy who picks them up, who in the backseat is somebody he don't like, but he still got in the car probably thinking, like, I just do, I can do that, you know what I'm saying?
00:28:29:20 - 00:28:36:21
Unknown
But anyway, that's like, well, that's crazy, man. That's crazy. Well,
00:28:36:23 - 00:28:58:23
Unknown
Rest in peace, Kevin. Recipes. Kevin. That's just the thing about it was that was when I miss mom. We made that song. I miss my homies right when I bake a song, but. Yeah. Yeah, well, because it was, it was. I mean, people felt that that was real. I mean, everybody, everybody felt that. I mean, I definitely that was very emotional time.
00:28:59:01 - 00:29:28:20
Unknown
But, you know, and, and, and I want to get out on the negative kind of, you know, talk for in, in a minute. But at the same time, let's talk a little bit about see, because we all love see, but that didn't that didn't end up well either. Yeah. No, I see it's, you know, when all of us, especially, you know, see as well is isn't is a good dude good hearted, you know, you you once again, like, canvas, like you, you just trying to do your best, right?
00:29:28:20 - 00:29:46:13
Unknown
So, you know, if you so you from here. But let's just say. Yeah, let's just say before you know anybody. If anybody doesn't know, see murdered. Didn't get his name because of the street. See murder. Got his name because he was an Army corpsman. And that's what he saw. He saw murder. And he was he was helping people in the army.
00:29:46:13 - 00:30:06:13
Unknown
So let's just let's just start there. So see murder is that. See murder. Now let's move forward to conversation. Yeah. No, it's the same thing. It's like, see is a real guy and and say to his love I say that. So he's going to find himself in a street representing a street. Maybe he should have been at home a little bit more.
00:30:06:13 - 00:30:29:00
Unknown
But they love him in the street. Not for doing street stuff, but just because he. Because the streets love them. And so just for him. Wrong place, wrong time. Because here's a here's the bottom line that that that that kind of that kind of is bothersome to me is that I got all the paperwork, I followed the I was there and he really didn't do it.
00:30:29:00 - 00:30:52:15
Unknown
So that's always the worst part is that, if he did it as a brother, I would be more like, yeah, you gotta do this side. But I guess I'm on your books. But but the fact that he's still there and he didn't do it is problem. Because we in a city where a lot of the young men have been taken, some did, some not.
00:30:52:15 - 00:31:20:07
Unknown
But for the most part, it's tough. Because I think, like the people say, if he was anywhere else, he wouldn't that wouldn't even went to trial because the evidence is lack. But they just gave him they just took him out because his name, they just they're like, yeah, well, you know, let me ask you this question because it's, it's it's if I look back on the history of, of you guys and Cash Money, you've got see murder in jail 20 plus years didn't do it.
00:31:20:09 - 00:31:50:12
Unknown
You've got Mac in jail 20 plus years didn't do it right. Where's the cash money artists in jail. It hadn't done it, Well, what do you mean, like. Like the the. Do you think at some point the the police were targeting no limit more than cash money? Because. Because if you look at it, I mean, everybody that I know went to jail for cash money actually did the Da actually did it.
00:31:50:14 - 00:32:15:04
Unknown
I don't know anybody that came from cash money that's been in jail for any extended amount of time. That's innocent. I wouldn't say so much of that. I would say just probably coincidence that, I don't think they did. Well, listen, you think that you think maybe the music was different and maybe that's what it was because y'all were a little more gangster like.
00:32:15:05 - 00:32:33:21
Unknown
They they were a little more party involved. I just think they probably stayed out the way I think. Like with Mac, he got him, so he got home. I think he went to jail in West Lighthouse. So that's a difference then. That's true. That's true. All right. All right. You got that. Yeah I know there's definitely that I mean I guess Jefferson Parish Jefferson Parish.
00:32:33:21 - 00:32:57:07
Unknown
Yeah. But but I just it just seems to me like if you look back like just I don't I don't see the same judgment, you know. And they also could have just come from the names, honestly. I mean, it really could have, but but but anyway, I don't know, I just always thought that was a question because I just, I don't see any cash money artists, that are in jail for nothing.
00:32:57:09 - 00:33:18:13
Unknown
Oh, well, yeah, I guess that's, Yeah. But I, I don't think it was. I think that anybody of the sheriff's office that they haven't. Did Harry Lee hate him that much? It was I, I, you know, I don't know. That's why I'm saying I was growing up just kind of walking the walk and just we, you know, we took whatever.
00:33:18:13 - 00:33:38:08
Unknown
Like, it could have been like, I look at, like this in life where C could have not been at that club at night, could have never went to jail for no amount of time. I could stay at home. But you can't say if of whatever you just living your life and sometimes you might run into a problem, just at a certain time.
00:33:38:08 - 00:33:55:08
Unknown
I mean, yeah, just, you know, well, Po is kind of had an issue with all club appearances. Any. Yeah. At some point when when, you know, we got famous, he didn't really like doing club stuff. Yeah, well, yeah, he stayed. I mean, he paid for it, but that was pretty. But I mean, but but but I feel like he it like, in a good way.
00:33:55:08 - 00:34:17:19
Unknown
He stayed away from doing some of those club scenes because they were dangerous, you know. But but but anyway, I guess we, we move on. But, I know Monica tried to, try to help c recently. We talked about a little bit about that situation. Yeah. I mean, I think, like, Monica genuinely cares. Jenny, you want to see him out?
00:34:17:21 - 00:34:40:05
Unknown
You know, together. Not together. She just. I think she really cares about him. And she knows that he's innocent as well. Dealt a bad hand. And I know Monica. She saw other people. She's, She she really wants to see him out because she she has relationship with his kids, too. And, that's tough to have your dad go to jail.
00:34:40:07 - 00:35:01:06
Unknown
You. You born, and then you don't see him till you in college, which is tough. So I think Monica, she she did something that was really good. She put a group, a good group of people around to get them out. He got close. I know Kim Kardashian was in there. I know, right? Jesse Jackson, I mean, he has some some really powerful people that was in his corner.
00:35:01:08 - 00:35:19:13
Unknown
So. Yeah, I mean, but I don't know what happened. I think they're still trying to get him out. Like I say, we're in a place where it's tough to to overturn that thing and get it going, but I think he's gonna come home. Yeah. We'll go. Maybe we'll get Trump to pardon him. Hey, we want to see him go home with his family, man.
00:35:19:15 - 00:35:33:23
Unknown
I keep hearing he's a good man, so I, you know, I we want to see him home for that. But, But anyway, let's move on to the No Limit reunion tour. How much? How much fun was that? What was it like getting back on stage with everybody? Well, you have a little, Yeah, a little bit, yeah, yeah, something to do with that.
00:35:34:02 - 00:35:56:23
Unknown
It was good because, that was trying to do it for quite a while. And then, I think, you know, just from the respect and love from all the artists, I was able to pull it together. Just just because I really want to do it for, because I really have a lot of love for all the artists, I think, like, from the mayor's and things and.
00:35:56:23 - 00:36:18:23
Unknown
Maxima. What? Max went home. Yeah, but, miss, I mean, all those guys was always solid with me, right? And so I just felt like just giving them they shiny flowers and and I also, we never really had a chance to really bond at halftime. So I just want to make some moments where, we do it together and, and it was good.
00:36:18:23 - 00:36:38:00
Unknown
It was really good. It was, it was tougher because it was personal. So I, I some I over, I over kind of did it on my part because I wanted to make everything better for them because that because it was personal. They are they all like consider family and friends. You know I'm saying. Yeah. Mike what was going on.
00:36:38:01 - 00:37:01:06
Unknown
Mystikal man. You know, they dealing with. Yeah. Now man, what a what a shame. Because we were we were on a roll. We were on a roll. And I love Mike. I love my what a great guy. We met my girl the first time and he goes open the door and goes, watch yourself. And oh, I just, I just I lost my head.
00:37:01:06 - 00:37:29:04
Unknown
Lost everything. Yeah. And like, but, well, so let's talked a little bit about your brother, a little bit about Pete. You know, I, I and I know you're, you're marketing, you know, genius in your own right. And, and I feel like I feel like he's also a marketing genius. But what do you think? What was the what was the the marketing play of bringing Snoop Dogg into the mix?
00:37:29:06 - 00:37:50:03
Unknown
Because that was that was one of the greatest free agent signings of rap music. Like I say, I think his all time man. I mean, I mean, once you get that Snoop Dogg is coming up as a free agent, I mean, you got to do whatever it takes to get him. I mean, like, but nobody was willing to call should.
00:37:50:05 - 00:38:06:21
Unknown
Right. I mean, that's kind of the story, right? He was the only one that was willing to call and give him the way it was going to be. Yeah, I wasn't part of that conversation, but I would say that we got him. He had to be hard to get him. So I should probably want to just let him go.
00:38:06:23 - 00:38:24:09
Unknown
But I was glad to have him. Snoop was our. I mean, it just shows respect. I guess your brother carried, right? Because, I mean, Shug was was that, was not an easy guy to talk to. You know, I think he got exhausted, though. I mean, he was. See, my he was fair. I mean, you know, because he let him go.
00:38:24:13 - 00:38:45:23
Unknown
Well, that's the thing. I guess he didn't he didn't make the transition horrible. He made it easy in a sense. But, what was it like getting Snoop in? Like, what was it like in the studio, like did did did the energy change that Snoop was solid, man. That like, that's I mean that Snoop was by the house all the time.
00:38:45:23 - 00:39:01:09
Unknown
He made it really easy to interact with, he would do anything for you. He just. He's always been a solid man. If you ask him for something, he. Yeah. We always been cool, man. He, gave me a lot of knowledge and wisdom. Well, I can know. He. I know he loves you. Have a couple of times I've been around you and him.
00:39:01:09 - 00:39:22:21
Unknown
You, me, I can tell he loves you, you know, like so, but, But did it change some of the competition in the studio? Yeah, well, we always competitive, like, always were competitive, but, like. But, like bringing a guy like that in. Did it. Did it change the dynamics? Well, Snoop made it easy because it wasn't a competition for him.
00:39:22:22 - 00:39:42:14
Unknown
It was like, pull everybody up. And so he just put his best work out. We put our best work out, and Snoop would be the same person where it can be a song that's completely and done. He'll need you, but he'll still bring you in there and put you on a song because it wasn't competitive to him. It was like a no, let me family and play him.
00:39:42:15 - 00:40:10:12
Unknown
He didn't step on nobody toes. He made the transition. They embrace him very easy. I got you. Yeah. Awesome. Well, that's, I mean, I guess it's what professionals do, right? They they they they make everybody else feel professional around them. Right? Or feel good around them. You know, in a and anyway, it touches on this a little bit before, but with the filming.
00:40:10:12 - 00:40:33:11
Unknown
But what was it like being on the ground floor for some of the first independent films in the South? Because even Snoop Dogg enjoyed some of that, right? Because he would play part in some of those movies. Right. But what what was the like like how did it feel stamping like, we are the first to do this.
00:40:33:13 - 00:40:54:19
Unknown
It was good. Like I said, we was always groundbreaking, transcending like we that's what. That's what made us who we were to outthink or go past whatever boss was doing. And that was the same thing. Like you're in today's day. That's so people look at, marketing. Everybody think they can market, right? But everybody can't market. Everybody can't brand.
00:40:54:19 - 00:41:15:04
Unknown
So the, the thing is because because it changes. But see me, I live in like I'm going to always be okay and that department because I always change with the time. Some people want to keep cassette tapes, but you have to change. They go to MP3 streaming now, so if you don't change with the time, consider yourself that.
00:41:15:06 - 00:41:38:12
Unknown
Don't make your genius. That makes you want to be stuck in the same place. I personally always trying to figure out the next step. You know, I'm saying that's I. But I hear you, man, I hear you. Well, next step, there's someone. Next step? Yeah. Right. Absolutely. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Glaciers. Shock. Elation. Shocker. World. Right.
00:41:38:14 - 00:42:05:12
Unknown
Family. Kids growing up. Yeah. Where they at right now? You got one and. Yeah LSU basketball. All right. Yeah. But they have another one here to my my son going to be going to San Diego. Yeah. They not. Yes I just so. Well so they all have NBA aspirations like like my daughter. She's going to be a lawyer now okay.
00:42:05:14 - 00:42:23:09
Unknown
But in I mean it's I mean the kids like that's what we do this for. I try to keep my personal life out of the spotlight as much as I can. I know I got some. My kids are great. And, you know, I just try to be an example for them. So where they. Because I didn't have a lot of example that's coming up.
00:42:23:09 - 00:42:41:15
Unknown
So, just just want to see I'm best I want to I'm going to be there to, to kind of bridge that. But yeah, it's about the kids. You got your. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I got two boys. So, you know, maybe I'll be a sports agent when I retire, you know? But, how do you feel about this?
00:42:41:15 - 00:43:02:09
Unknown
And I know deals like. Like. Yeah, I like it. You feel like it's it's warranted. Yeah, I think so. Because you. I think about some of these schools are getting so much money, man. And some of these kids be in Top Ramen and barely can make it be parents back home. Can't, you know, gotta send money. But they performing in front of 20,000 people.
00:43:02:11 - 00:43:23:08
Unknown
Yeah. And so for me that's the thing I up for me, I'm into the sports stuff now. I know one day I, on that, I'll tell you this, but one day I'm going to have a job in the NBA. I already got offer, one of them. But it's funny because I got offered coaching jobs in college, which is funny, but I am a good coach.
00:43:23:10 - 00:43:46:06
Unknown
I'm a good trainer. That's how my kids, I think they're good because I actually know. How about the sports world? Some all my friends, they play football, basketball, baseball and we just talk about it. I mean, I, I got some money, my friends teams call me that to sign some of my friends. So, I love that part of me.
00:43:46:06 - 00:44:04:17
Unknown
One day I'm going to, I'll be studying it. So one day, I believe I'm gonna have a job. NBA for sure. For sure, I couldn't. I could have got one already, but I think it was, too demanding at the time. But hey, sports agent, right now, at this point, with all the kids getting deals, I think it's probably one of the bigger things to move into.
00:44:04:19 - 00:44:26:01
Unknown
But but anyway, let me, let me ask you, we're a nation right now. How do you feel about the nation? I love relations, and with some of, like, a partnership to me. You absolutely a long time. And I'm very proud of you for consistently believing in it. I know sometimes up and downs. I know you had other places.
00:44:26:03 - 00:44:42:12
Unknown
I think you finally hit your niche. I think, next year going to be one of your biggest years. I'm definitely here to help you any kind of way I can. And I think I see the vision. I think the world can see the vision. I think I look forward to you taking the lessons from here.
00:44:42:13 - 00:45:05:20
Unknown
So expanding it. And I think you got a lot. I mean, you already know how the music business go. I think you passionate about it. And I like that when you see a vision, you make it come to life. Yeah. Stuff is like I was here when it was just the building. And piece by piece, when you were there, when it was my apartment in L.A., you were there when I was renting a spot on Burbank Boulevard.
00:45:05:21 - 00:45:31:13
Unknown
Even after the whole time you seen the whole vision. I mean, you, you've literally seen. But you didn't see my first studio built was. It was in Florida. But. But you've seen everything since, so I appreciate that because it's, you know, it takes it takes, and shout out to Bobby because you remember Bobby. But but but, you know, he created a logo that I was able to believe in for my life, you know, and that there's there's so much power in that the tank.
00:45:31:15 - 00:45:49:18
Unknown
Like something that you could, like, you can believe in. You can push. You can, you can strive for, so, but, but I appreciate that because it definitely takes a lot to stay on course, especially now. I mean, I like the team you got around you. I like that you're creating content. You're marketing the brand.
00:45:49:18 - 00:46:09:03
Unknown
And then, for me, that I'm here now, I look forward to just constantly putting something together with you to expand it, like, you know what I'm saying? And I think that because you open. One thing I like about you is that if you believe in something, you're going to, you're going to do whatever it takes to make it happen.
00:46:09:05 - 00:46:25:15
Unknown
Right? Is not in financial is like. But if you if it's financial, you're going if you see you're going to to figure out a way to make it work. Yeah. That's not what I said. I want to be more a part of that because I want you to be successful like you want to be successful. So I appreciate it.
00:46:25:15 - 00:46:45:14
Unknown
Yet you don't you don't score unless you throw a touchdown pass, right? You know, like you don't score. And I thought touchdown pass. Or and Jayden Daniels part a Hail Mary pass. But we'll go from there. You know we'll go from there. Well awesome. Well what brings elation to you in your life? You know, because I define elation is peak happiness.
00:46:45:15 - 00:47:13:23
Unknown
So. So what what brings elation to you? What does it mean to me? Yeah. Like what? Like. But when you sit down the other day and you're like, what? What would make me the happiest to not even have to worry about tomorrow? Like, what would be that? That's good. So for me, I think, this is a new a new atmosphere for me being really successful.
00:47:14:01 - 00:47:43:13
Unknown
Right. So that means if, if, if I wanted to create something, I could create it. I wanted to, to make something. I can make it happen. No worries about anything, but actually doing it right. Like we want to fly to Florida, right? You know, we can do it. So I think all that is embodied and what that means to me, like you, like I say, I like, I say what you sometimes inviting me to your life.
00:47:43:13 - 00:48:11:02
Unknown
Vice versa. It's so that's going to be something that brings happiness to me to just just me watching you have your kids and I'm there for them. Just, just a family vibe, family, you know, atmosphere and us being successful. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Time and time. Time with the right people. Yeah. Right. You know, and, and and like I said, if we make money together, our kids make money together, right?
00:48:11:03 - 00:48:26:20
Unknown
You know, I would tell him his story. I think I was by you. We just needed to say flooring. I say, where was that? And, I think we come up the restaurant and Michael Jordan is sitting there. Yeah, like a regular person. He's like, literally. I'm like, is that like you? Like, yeah, that's my job.
00:48:26:20 - 00:48:43:08
Unknown
Like, he just. Nobody's body is so funny. But yeah, it's just it feels crazy that, we have these stories that you took me out with. I want to put it in a sentence, but it is. But. So for me, having these type of stories, like you say, we making money together, our kids making money, and we.
00:48:43:09 - 00:49:02:09
Unknown
And we're building that wealth gap. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Well, great. Well, that brings elation to me too. So. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, great. Well, please tell everybody your socials where they can find your music, where they can find you at and talk to you in the future. Voice of the shark man I think everything is super shocker.
00:49:02:11 - 00:49:21:09
Unknown
I think, officials of the shark is Facebook, but follow me anyway. Man, I got y'all. We going to stay locked in. It's my guy, right? We going to definitely turn up and, Salute. Let's go. Awesome. It sounds good. Well, thank you guys for joining us today on The Nation podcast. Please follow like subscribe if you would like any more content like this.
00:49:21:11 - 00:49:24:18
Unknown
And, I'll see you next time. Thanks. Let's go
